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MSecorsky · Jun 07, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

MSecorsky, your negativity is not appreciated on these forums. Why are you so constantly negative? Your constant heralds of doomsday and the disappointment of our species of ridiculous. You are one of us? right? So you admit to being disappointed in yourself! Hah! This thread fails on a massive level!
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Heh heh... thanks Zinger, I appreciate the chuckle.

Xeno Breaker · Jun 07, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

y r u all complaining. You GAVE it away. Once you gave it away u lost all rights to the item. It is theirs to do with what they please. IF they use it for few days and decide to sell it its their business.

my 2 cents

Alas Poor Yorick · Jun 07, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I enjoy giving things away when I can - even if I know they will probably sell them later. Farming in Urgoz has gotten me quite a few decent zodiacs I didn't want to waste time selling and giving them to new players is fun. I also like giving away minipets to new players when I find them for 2k or less.

But I had to laugh this last Halloween. I was giving away transmorgrifier tonics in Shing Jea - thought Cantha should have a chance at the fun - and gave one guy two of them. A minute later he was advertising "wts trans. tonics 1k ea." I don't mind that he was selling them - but it seemed kind of stupid not to change districts or wait a little while at least. How did he expect to get any customers when I was right next to him offering them for free?

sprintcar88h · Jun 07, 2007, 05:16 PM // 17:16

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Did I mention that this individual is usually ridiculed and kicked out of PuGs because she is deaf and is slow to respond to chat/orders (can't use Vent or TS) because she must read everything carefully so as not to miss anything or takes longer to 'answer' the phone, etc.? It's horrid how some treat others.

~Falcon

I get the same treatment sometimes to being disabled (wheelchair and can only use 1 arm) so I'm slow at times and not the best at gameing. but As stated in this thread if I have something I dont need and someone else does I either give it away or sell it very low in price. most of the time the other party is gratefull in some cases you get screwed I just add them to my ignore list and chalk it up as a loss. some people can be pricks i just choose not to deal with them.

Burn Butt · Jun 07, 2007, 05:17 PM // 17:17

I figure it has a LOT to do with age. Very young players do not seem to value to the work that goes into obtaining gold, items etc. and instead are just miopiically focused on themselves and their characters. We had a guy in our guild that was constantly asking for stuff, so I gave him an endgame green sword of the forgotten. I kid you not he was asking if anyone else had a cool sword they could give him 1 minute later in the alliance chat. I think that if you give something away, you have to assume the worst and just be ok with it. Unless you really know the person you're dealing with, you should keep your expectations in total check.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jun 07, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

I thought nice guys finish last?

MSecorsky · Jun 07, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

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Originally Posted by Xeno Breaker

y r u all complaining. You GAVE it away. Once you gave it away u lost all rights to the item. It is theirs to do with what they please. IF they use it for few days and decide to sell it its their business.

my 2 cents

Rather than let this turn into a potential flame-fest, I'll flat out admit that you are absolutely right, Xeno. It's his sword now to do with as he pleases. This has never been brought into question. It's simply the disappointment at having a good deed twisted so quickly and blatantly into something ugly. It's just a shame, that's all.

Tyria's Slave · Jun 07, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

IMO, it has definitely not been worth it to be nice. When I used to be in a guild, I was an officer. Well, one day, a new member came into guild chat and asked for some black dye. I had a lot of money but no black dye. I decided to be a nice officer and just give him 5 black dyes (how much he said he needed). I check back 5 minutes later and he left the guild.

Caoimhe · Jun 07, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Here's the heart of the matter: Why do you do what you do? If you're the type to give stuff away, why? Why not? It's a personal choice to be generous, and another not to be. Some people will always take advantage of others' generosity, and others won't.

I consider myself a decent player, nothing more. I've never solo farmed anything but ettins, I'm lousy at builds and timing, and I don't have tons of time to play. As a consequence, I don't have much of value. Nevertheless, I've given away crafting junk, weapons, drake flesh by the ton, etc., largely due to the fact that I know there are others out there, just like me, who just can't compete with the "career GW" players on a gold-for-gold, weapon-for-weapon, skill-for-skill basis. So I do what I can to help others have fun. If they turn around and sell the stuff, great! If that's what gets them through the night, fine.

All I know for sure is, you reap what you sow. I'd much rather reap generosity and abundance than greed and rapaciousness.

Dawgboy · Jun 07, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

I used to give gold items away, but stopped when a few people started pm'ing me all the time asking for more.

And one time I was in a pug and had a decent monk offhand item drop for me. The other monk asked if he could have it, and as I was already using a slightly better one, I gave it to him. He said "Thanks, gotta go", and left while we were halfway through the mission. You're welcome, ***hole.

axe · Jun 07, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Way back in the day when I used to do Droks Runs I used to give away free runs all the time. I would be offered tips occasionally and always turn them down. Several of those players are still on my friends list today and we keep in touch.

There was one time I was overly generous (and I think this is the problem) I ran this low level warrior for free, he wanted to get Droks armor. And so I ran him to Droks, when he saw the prices for the armor he almost fainted since he had nowhere near that amount of money (he was obviously a younger player) and he was totally bummed. He wanted wyrven armor (I think thats what it was) and I could almost see his dissapointment. So I said, hey you got some more time to play? and he said yeah, so I ran him to Granite Citadel and gave him the Mats and cash to buy a full set of 15K Dragons. I told him to buy one piece at a time and to be very slow and careful so as not to mess up and buy 2 of the same piece. He did that and was standing there in a full set of 15K armor, he just stood there for so long, then finally said thank you and was obviously overjoyed. It was one of the best feelings for me to do that as I dont myself own any 15K armors.

He would continuously PM me saying hello and things which I dont mind, but then he started to ask for money, items, etc.. and I think its all because I was TOO generous. I think when ppl ask for something and you are feeling nice that day, just give them the bare minimum so they will thank you but not assume you are rich and pester you.

I still give away things to this day, just not on the level that will get me harrassed by people.

Also he ended up salvaging the Dragon Armor to make room in his inventory...... what he needed the space for that was nicer than 75K armor I dont know.

*Darcy* · Jun 07, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

I give things away because it makes ME feel good. For me, the joy is truly in the giving. I do it expecting nothing from the other person. That way my part has ended with the giving.

If the other person sells or salvages whatever I gave him, I feel that is his right. I didn't set any conditions on the gift and am fully aware that even the small (to me) amount of gold received from merching an item can be of benefit to a poorer player.

If you are going to worry about how your gift is treated, you shouldn't give away items that are worth a lot of gold on the market. Without that temptation, you won't see what happens to it and will avoid having your feelings hurt.

When my monk was younger, she was in Ascalon trying to sell various low-end weapons etc. I remember only that I was asking 200g for something. A player initiated a trade and put up 13k in the trade window. I mentioned that the price was 200g, he told me he had lots of money and just wanted to give me a gift. This was the start of my conscious generosity to other players.

I give away materials, weapons, collector drops and gold. I do have to admit that seeing one player verbally running down another player's armor or weapon can trigger a large gold donation at times. (It depends on how long it has been since the last discussion with my guildmate on the difference between generosity and stupidity.)

But I am enjoying the game beyond the accomplishment of missions and titles.

rick1027 · Jun 07, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

is it worth it to be nice? depends on why your being nice i guess. its helped me out several times. i may give more then i get but i got a group of friends that give me stuff if i need something and yes they are usually higher priced items but i'm one to give anybody something if they need it. seeing i got 2 account with 10 slots each im constantly making new characters then running then to high level armor only to go back and do low level mission at level 20 and i always find a person or two to go with me. i do make more friends this way especially if it someone who no one else will let in their party either too low level or unwanted class. usually as i run this low level through a mission we get talking i find out if they have nice weapons and usually i give them better ones for them to use. if they sell it the next day hey maybe they got an even better one and they could use the extra cash so that wouldn't bother me either by the way it wasn't mine anymore

TwinRaven · Jun 07, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Always help....damn the consequences or outcomes. You only have "bad" experiences if you expect something in return (even a "thank-you"). Once the act of giving is complete, your role in the act is over...how others choose to respond is entirely their responsibility. If you want to feel good about helping people, those are the rules...the only rules that keep you feeling good about giving. Anything else, and your expectations are just too high.

Vengeful Spirit · Jun 07, 2007, 05:58 PM // 17:58

well in my guild we believe in helping people now i have never been a big truster of the online community in any game so if somone needs somthing i usually offer to give advice or help them get it because i believe if i do that they can do that for money some more and be better off than my one time donation would be and often times i gain a good friend and most of the time they surpass me in gold because im laid back and dont like to farm and such unless i have somthing i am really saving up for, also when i do give away somthing i dont expect to get it back because if i give it away it usually means i dont need it.

mazey vorstagg · Jun 07, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

In your guild it's worth being nice. When you're all adventuring together a little kindness and respect goes a long way. As a consequence in my guild there is no selling, if you want an item and someone else has one then they can only give it to you, not sell.

Outside of guilds it's worth being nice to an extent, if they ar really new then help them out. Sometimes beggers don't need it at all.

Mournblade · Jun 07, 2007, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

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I was waiting for that, and you didn't disapoint me. =)

I figgure being nice in GW is like winning the lottery. Most of the time you get nothing in return for your efforts, but when it pays off you feel good. :P

quickmonty · Jun 07, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Is it worth it to be nice? To me it's not a matter of "worth". I'm nice (or nasty) because I want to be. I enjoy helping others. Most appreciate it, and the few that don't .... well .... that's the way it is. I'm wealthy (in game) and enjoy helping newer players. I remember how difficult it was with my first character, trying to buy decent armor and get weapons. Help, if you will or not, but don't expect anything in return. A "thanks" now and then is enough to brighten my day.

Shuuda · Jun 07, 2007, 06:15 PM // 18:15

1: Being nice isn't about getting things in return, it's about doing the right thing, DISPITE WHAT OTHERS DO.

2: Some of you seem a bit too nice it would seem, selling something for an honest, fair price is a nice thing to do, giving someone adivce is a nice thing to do. Giving things away to total strangers is naive.

NeHoMaR · Jun 07, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Sometimes our species really disappoints me.

If you wanna be nice, just do it! but remember: sh*t happens, and also, the only planet you can live for now is here, the Earth, and that things happen in Earth all the time